Google Email Warning: Googlebot found an extremely high number of URLs on your site

[vBET]

TELL US WHICH VERSION OF VBULLETIN ARE YOU USING.

I'm using version 3.6.12, you should know this since I paid an additional fee to get it working (make it compatible) because of the archive problem so if it's the archive thats causing this then it's (no offense) YOUR FAULT since you did it. : http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.co...tin-3-6-a.html

We have lot of users. We know what we have included in actual thread. Thanks for giving your vBulletin version

About the issue. You was informed that integration can be not possible since your version is not supported and you decided to go for it anyway. Bug in archive which you have is on vBulletin side. You was also informed in PM about it.
So you was aware about not working archive sub-forums on your not supported old vBulletin version, from the very beginning. You was also told that because this is vBulletin bug you should contact vBulletin team to solve it.
Also as I see in the very thread you are pointing on you refused our future support. But of course you have full right to blame anyone for anything

What to do now with archive? You have now several options:
1. Contact vBulletin team to solve their bug. As you know (from old stories) vBUlletin 3.6 have bug and when you add any additional parameter in URL to archive sub-forum page then it crashes. It is out of vBET scope since old vBulletin behave this way even when vBET is not installed - so in short words: it is vBulletin bug. It is also out of our scope because it is not supported version. So you can ask vBuletin are they are still responsible for their code and will they correct it. They can refuse if they also consider vB3.6 as unsupported.
2. You can block whole archive in robots.txt - not good idea we do not advise it.
3. You can disable translation of archive pages. There will be less pages in Google index, but there will be no more broken links.
4. You can edit layout of your thread archive page so links to archive sub-forums will not be included. You can make it included for not translated page and disabled for translated one. On your main forum archive page there broken links to sub-forum will be still on, but this is only several links not thousands on thousands archive thread pages. You could even made 301 redirection for main forum archive page so it will be only in original language.

Please tell us which version do you prefer and we will guide you more in chosen one.

Author said it doesn't harm google.

I'm lost here. First you wrote it is safe. Then you wrote it is not safe. Now it is safe again. What I'm interested is what I wrote to you about Webmaster Tools. We are not interested what mod author is telling you - this is between you and him. We are interested how Google see your forum. If Google see your forum as blocked communicate then the mod harms Google, because Google see everywhere same content (so each post is considered as duplicated content). In this case we advice to not use the mod anymore until it will be safe for Google - so until you will be able to see in Webmaster Tools that Google see all the pages normally and it is not blocked. This is how it is and we have nothing more to say in this area. It is your choice will you fallow advice or not. So check it first and if it is not safe then made your own decision who you want to listen.

2. There is absolutely no need to be rude, I do understand how to use the robots.txt, but in your optimization guides (my Opinion) your lean more towards vBSEO setups, just keep in mind that at least 80% of vBulletin users don't use vBSEO so you should keep 2 separate threads when you talk about tips, tweaks and optimization, example; "vBSEO Optimization" and "Non vBSEO Optimization" to make it more user friendly.

I apologize if you consider our answer as rude. I just added in TODO list to make separate robot.txt file for non SEO links. Thanks for your note.

3. All the archive links that you posted as broken seem to be working fine for me, here's a snapshot of your broken archive link example:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/t-25194.html?language=pl

Please read carefully and once again what I wrote to you in last response. I never wrote that the link:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/t-25194.html?language=pl

is broken. I wrote that IT IS WORKING - broken are links included ON THIS PAGE. Please read again what was described before. I know that this page is working. That is why I wrote you:

For example:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/t-25194.html?language=pl

This is link to tread archive and it is working but in it content there are links on the top of page to sub forums where the thread is included. Example:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/f-182.html

And all those links are not working - only to main forum. All archive sub-forums links are not working.

I wrote you that this link is working - you do not have to give me screen shots and prove to me that it is working Just please read carefully what I'm writing to you. And now look on your image and pay attention on top links (links to archive sub-forums) - those are broken (except link to archive main forum)

Listen Michael I don't want to argue every single letter that's written with you, I just want an easy 1. 2. 3. fix and nothing more.

Great Hope you understand the area of issue now and know what are the choices. Please tell us which one you prefer and we will guide you in this direction.

From what the google representative told me, the url structure below is being indexed 4 times but in realty for them it's considered to be 1 and should be indexed as such and that's probably why I got the email. The underneath post is just an example;


http://www.mysite.com/showthread.php?t=64661 Original
http://www.mysite.com/showthread.php?t=64661&language=pl Translated
http://www.mysite.com/showthread.php?t=64661&language=en Translated
http://www.mysite.com/showthread.php?t=64661&language=es Translated

All those pages have completely different content and any boot couldn't tell that it is same when the text is completely different. Those are different pages which serves different content targeted for different receiver, and the answer have no sense for us at all. Please PM me whole message you got, with contact to source of this message. We would like to explain it. Most probably person who check it saw not real content, but only blocking message (like I did right now) - so ins such case the feedback have no value at all. Once again - please PM details we will verify it.

[mario06]

Here you clearly state that this link wasn't working (wrong means the same) marked in red and now you say that you never said it?!?

I'm lost here. First you wrote it is safe. Then you wrote it is not safe. Now it is safe again. What I'm interested is what I wrote to you about Webmaster Tools. We are not interested what mod author is telling you - this is between you and him. We are interested how Google see your forum. If Google see your forum as blocked communicate then the mod harms Google, because Google see everywhere same content (so each post is considered as duplicated content). In this case we advice to not use the mod anymore until it will be safe for Google - so until you will be able to see in Webmaster Tools that Google see all the pages normally and it is not blocked. This is how it is and we have nothing more to say in this area. It is your choice will you fallow advice or not. So check it first and if it is not safe then made your own decision who you want to listen.

Since I'm English and know the language very well, I've always said that that limited guest mod doesn't hurt, harm, bother, supreme, suppress the google bots.

About the issue. You was informed that integration can be not possible since your version is not supported and you decided to go for it anyway. Bug in archive which you have is on vBulletin side. You was also informed in PM about it.
So you was aware about not working archive sub-forums on your not supported old vBulletin version, from the very beginning. You was also told that because this is vBulletin bug you should contact vBulletin team to solve it.
Also as I see in the very thread you are pointing on you refused our future support. But of course you have full right to blame anyone for anything

You told me that for an additional fee you would have made my version compatible then after the work you said that their was a problem with the archive which I didn't find because all the links worked for me. I contacted vbulletin (when you told me that) and they said that everything was ok.


I contacted The vBulletin Support again today and I got a similar response as a year a so ago; in simple words my archive WORKS AS IT SHOULD! Read vBulletins comments below, I hid the name for pivacy reasons but I can Assure you that he is the oldest member there so now what?



PS. If your still unsatisfied with their response and want me to ask a more technical question post it here and I will copy/paste it to the vBulletin Support Team directly ok?

Since vBulletin said there's no bug and everything is working fine the problem is on your end so I'm waiting for the fix.

Best Regards

[vBET]

Here you clearly state that this link wasn't working (wrong means the same) marked in red and now you say that you never said it?!?

You are really wasting the time. And once again you didn't read carefully. Please - read whole point. If I write you: "I'm little confused" - you will gonna prove me that I wrote you that I'm little??? What it is about anyway?...

This is what I wrote:

3. As I wrote in the beginning your links to sub-forums in archive aren't working at all. Only to main forum and to threads. This makes thousands of wrong links on your archive pages. For example:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/t-25194.html?language=pl

This is link to tread archive and it is working but in it content there are links on the top of page to sub forums where the thread is included. Example:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/f-182.html

And all those links are not working - only to main forum. All archive sub-forums links are not working. This makes you thousands of not working links on thousands of archive threads pages.

I gave you example of location where you will find broken links and next example of broken link itself (broken after translation). Sorry - but what is the problem here? Do you still do not know what it is about or you are trying to prove something here?
Also please note that you can use quotes - including images is not necessary

You told me that for an additional fee you would have made my version compatible then after the work you said that their was a problem with the archive which I didn't find because all the links worked for me. I contacted vbulletin (when you told me that) and they said that everything was ok.

Not true - what I wrote you you have in your PMs and I also. EOT. Read again if need to remind this. We already started quoting our PMs in other thread (you linked it here) so no need to start it again. Any other content of PM included publicly here will be considered as SPAM, since it is already in other topic. Any duplication made by same user is considered as SPAM on this forum and on any other forum I know. So please – do not start to SPAM.

I contacted The vBulletin Support again today and I got a similar response as a year a so ago; in simple words my archive WORKS AS IT SHOULD! Read vBulletins comments below, I hid the name for pivacy reasons but I can Assure you that he is the oldest member there so now what?

Archive sub-forum pages on vBulletin 3.6 crashes if you ad any additional parameter to URL. You can check it even on clean instance - without vBET nor any other mod. I checked it on your forum with vBET disabled. So it is vBulletin bug, since vBulletin have plugin architecture and supports to plugin additional functionality. Archive have its own extension points what means that archive also was predicted to be extended. If adding any parameter to URL breaks whole page it means that there is a bug in vBulletin code and it is vBulletin team work to solve it.

PS. If your still unsatisfied with their response and want me to ask a more technical question post it here and I will copy/paste it to the vBulletin Support Team directly ok?

I do not understand what they mean by writing that it is not intended to subforums to be shown in archive – it is and it is generated by vBulletin... Maybe you do not understand each other. Just give them the URL:

http://YOUR_FORUM/archive/index.php/f-182.html

And tell that it will broke if you add any parameter to URL - this is the bug. You can also give them previous paragraph.

Since vBulletin said there's no bug and everything is working fine the problem is on your end so I'm waiting for the fix.

No it means that they do not know what you mean or they just flush you off. It will not make their bug disappear from their code and jump to our code, just because they wrote that there is no bug. It doesn't work this way. And I wrote you how you can check yourself that it is vBulletin bug. I wrote it to you then, I wrote it now. So just check it and please stop writing that it is on our side because it will not make it appears on our side after repeating it again and again. Did you even checked it? Did you disabled vBET and checked yourself that the link will crash with any parameter added to URL? Did you?

[mario06]

The vBulletin Member is a senior member and I don't believe at all that he made a mistake checking the archive (he accessed the forum as an admin) nor that he brushed me off. "Maybe" we misunderstood each other so I've asked for further assistance from them so lets see what they say again.

Asking for support is considered to be SPAM for you? If that's the case I Apologize for asking for support! You must seriously look at this matter from my point of view, vBulletin says that there's no bug, you say that it's a vBulletin bug so put yourself in my shoes and ask whom must I believe?

PS. I never quoted anything from a PM sent to or from you, I only quoted your quotes.

PS2. Since I'm not a coder telling me to check things makes no sense so I must either trust you or vBulletin at this point.

PS3. Since we live in a civilized world we democratically debated certain issues, things said and different points of view and nothing more. There are no hard feelings on my part. I just want to pacifically resolve the problem

Best Regards

[vBET]

The vBulletin Member is a senior member and I don't believe at all that he made a mistake checking the archive (he accessed the forum as an admin) nor that he brushed me off or that we misunderstood each other since English is our mother language. The snapshots speak clearly. You don't want or are unable to fix the issue and I'll accept that.

Asking for support is considered to be SPAM?!? If that's the case I Apologize for asking for support!! You said that there is a bug, Vbulletin said that there isn't!! Who do I have to believe?

PS. I never quoted anything from a PM sent to or from you, I only quoted your quotes.

PS2. If the thread went off topic it isn't my fault, i asked you numerous times to give me a simple fix in a 1. 2. 3. manner BUT I only received this
1. It's his fault
2. It's your fault
3. It's their fault.

Since we live in a civilized world we democratically debated on certain issues, things said and different points of view and nothing more. For me the issue is closed so you can close this thread. No hard feelings on my part.

Best Regards

It is not what you believe about - it is about what really happens and you can simply check it yourself - we gave you instructions how to do it. So please trow your believes away, because those leads you in wrong direction and just check it. Did you check it?

Please note that we do not advice to leave the issue just as it is. We strongly recommend to solve it. We gave you other possibilities if vBulletin team do not want to correct their bug. You can use one of those as temporary solution and still contact vBulletin team to solve their bug. If you wish to solve it please tell us which possibility you prefer and we will guide you more in this direction. At this moment, according to your wish - the topic considered solved.

[mario06]

I gave them the information so I'm waiting for a response, I didn't close this issue yet.

Regards

[vBET]

I gave them the information so I'm waiting for a response, I didn't close this issue yet.

Regards

So I also set here not solved yet. We realy would like to help you make it working

[tavenger5]

Why are you using the archive again? That's a massive amount of unnecessary duplicate content.

[mario06]

Why are you using the archive again? That's a massive amount of unnecessary duplicate content.

The archive is recommended to be dissabled IF using vBseo by the vBSEO team, I am not using vBSEO or Zoints so there is no benefit in disabling it for me.
PS. Google separates and pick the better of the 2 from the normal forum threads and the archive forum threads so they don't penalize you for that so that's not the reason. Here's a Google Guide Duplicate Content Guide from Youtube, pay close attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSoXutuj0g

[mario06]

So I also set here not solved yet. We realy would like to help you make it working

Here are the answers from vBulletin Support Team, I have sent them the entire list of urls from the Google email (like I sent you) and your broken link examples.

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Jan 25th '11 11:14am

http://mysite.com/archive/index.php/t-61966.html?language=zh-TW

As you can see, going to any of those urls there is no "crash" So I am not sure what they are talking about.

If there is a bug, please provide me with the bug report. But there is no crashing going on.

All the best,
xxxxxxxxxxx
Support Team, vBulletin

Purchase vBulletin, the most powerful forum software available.
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xxxxxxxxxxxx
Jan 26th '11 01:12am

The person you were talking to said there was a bug, and that he was working with us about it. I do not see an issue with your archive urls, they're not crashing the forum. I would like to hear about this bug report, since the archive code has not changed in ages.


All the best,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Support Team, vBulletin

Purchase vBulletin, the most powerful forum software available.
mailto:support@vbulletin.com

So here you go Michael, they have stated in numerous answers that the archive has no problem, now what's next?

Regards